horses at whypass

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shezah
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Hello, I just joined so i could ask you a question.  I live very close by and am an avid horseback rider.  i have ridden on the trails at carpenters since 2004, when i first moved here.  I have noticed that there are more and more bycicles on the trails as the years go by.  I was wondering when i could ride up there ...what is the best day?  best time?  or should i announce in advance? I usually ride alone, so safety is a concern.  I am happy to bring clippers along and trim twigs/small branches as i ride thru.  Thanks, Sheza

linda

MaxSteel
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Hi Linda,

Thanks for asking.

Carpenters is gaining in popularity with the addition of more trails and amenities.  I look forward to continued development that is certain to increase the mountain bike traffic.  

I should think that weekday mornings is probably your best bet for less traffic. The earlier the better is my guess and it is only a guess...I'm not the early bird.

Paul

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shezah
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Thank you, Paul.  Your input is appreciated. 

linda

Davey Sprockett
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Hey Linda, thanks for asking. I want to get something of my chest; I wish to do so as objectively as I can.

Whypass trails are multi-use so in the spirit of sharing the trails, may I ask a favor, please? If your horse poops on the trail, please remove your animal's waste from the trail. These days most dog owners understand that cleaning up after their animal is their obligation and hikers don't generally defecate in the middle of the trail but based on evidence gathered over several years, some if not most equestrians don't seem to understand their responsibility to respect fellow trail users in this regard. Also please ask any equestrian friends you may have to engage in this same courtesy. One might think that cleaning up after one's animal would be common courtesy these days but sadly, evidence indicates doing so isn't de rigueur within the equestrian community.

Nobody wants to clean up animal waste; I doubt the horse rider enjoys cleaning up after their animal either. But no one likes cleaning animal waste off the trail less than fellow trail users who are not even responsible for the waste being on the trail in the first place. Cleaning up after an animal is the animal owner's responsibility. And the feces does need to be cleaned off the trails because as the mountain bikers' tires (the primary user of the Whypass trail system) roll through whatever is on the trail, the offending material will be thrown up into the rider's face by the bike's spinning wheels.

Whypass trails are not exclusively equestrian trails. Nor are they exclusively mountain bike or hiking trails. They're multi-use trails and all trail users should respect their fellow user groups. Speaking generally about multi-use trails, I believe strongly that if any user group does not respect other user groups, the offending user group should be banned from the trails in question.

The same goes for trail damage. When I'm riding my bicycle at Whypass, I'm seeing trail damage caused by horses but I'm not seeing the damage being repaired by equestrians. If your animal post-holes a section of trail, please fill the holes in and bring the trail back to its pre-damaged condition. Thank you.

Davey Sprockett

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shezah
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"I believe strongly that if any user group does not respect other user groups, the offending user group should be banned from the trails in questions." 

Hay Davey....read what you wrote.  Your whole post is disrepectful. And there are several of your group that have been extremely rude to horse riders..not just to me, and its uncalled for.  You do not own carpenters bypass. BLM does and its a multiuse system so get over your self.  I tried to be nice and asked a legit questions and your nasty response is what i got. 

 

 

linda

Mtnlre
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Linda,
By "your group" do you mean on this forum or on the trails at Whypass? I have been mountain biking there since the start. As of late with the explosion of use at Whypass, it is less common that I see DOD folks out there. Instead I see lots of riders who have no consideration for ANY other trail users.
There is no time that the trails are not busy now. Your safety isn't at risk out there, other than a bike maybe startling your horse as you are going up and they are going down a trail. Hope that helps a little.
ML

ML

shezah
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Hi ML and the rest of you guys...have no idea what the "start" is.  it is my belief that alot of the trails were made by local hikers and riders and mushroom pickers.  in the old days i never saw anybody when i rode up there.  its pretty crazy now!  i know people that have been riding up there for more than 20 years.  me, only 13 years...roseboro and seneca didnt mind us either, in fact they kinda welcomed us because we would keep an eye out for bad stuff.  i guess they are off limits now....too many people!  i would keep off the steep trails just so there is no potential for crashes.  as for safety,  horse back riding is a very dangerous sport.  them ponies can react 40 times faster the a human..and reactions can be violent. my personal mount is very level headed but he is still a horse.  so i do try to maintain some control over my riding enviornment for safety reasons. 

by "your group" i meant DOD but now i understand there are mostly rogues out there...im sorry if my ignorance (now corrected) offended anyone.  your meet and greet with the BCH is fantastic!

and as for horse poop...i am old and a little banged up from a life of physical labor so i cannot re-mount my horse on the trail unless i find a very friendly stump or a deep ditch that the horse can get into.  can you possibly ride around a pile?  it biodegrades very quickly.   its very benign stuff.  not like dog and human poo.  i think dylan the wonder horse would produce about one pile a month.  and i would not consider damaging the trails by riding on them in the wet months.  thanks for listening.  Linda

linda

S.S.Litson
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Linda,

I agree with both Davey and Lauri. I don't believe Davey was being rude, merely asking that you and/or others that ride horses on multi-use trails to be considerate of the damage these massive animals do to the trail as well as the defection they leave behind. In parades there are scoopers that pick up the horse stuff, why is this exempt from trails? As far as trail use, go ahead and use it, but as you've noticed it is used primarily by mountain bikers because, it was built primarily by mountain bikers so tailored towards a mountain bikers desired experience. You are correct, the BLM does "own" (manage) this area, and more or less have been pleased with the majority of the users and volunteers (primarily mountain bikers) so much so Whypass has become officially Carpenter Bypass trail system. As to what Lauri wrote, I have been riding at Whypass for about six years, so not long in the grand scheme but, even in that short time I've seen more and more new faces. Most of those new faces are just riding bikes on a trail system that has shown up on the BLM radar as of recent and have no idea of the DOD, so pinning something down on us (DOD) for the actions of others doesn't sit well in my book. I've ridden bikes with Davey (and others) with the BackCountry Horsemen on an exercise in education of both users. I know personally he, myself, my kids, and many others have tried to bridge the gap between user groups. It's not perfect, and there are things that both can't agree on, but if we don't at least try...status-quo will be the result. So...please try and understand the position some of the creators of these trails come from. For some, these trails are literally their offspring...and they take great pride in it.

 

 

Shawn Litson

Riding bikes to escape the voices in your head

bruce prator
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holly crap it is thunder and  lighting here in oakridge.  Some rain last nite.  Needs about 4 inches more.  If horses do their  work on trails including horse related  desdrution  on trails  that's  OK. Mtb. bikers  do heavy distruction as well as hikers.  If nobody uses the trails they are overgrowth and will disappear.  Cause of severe weight horses cause the most disdruction of the three. Hikers the least.  So get real and do your part in trail construction and maintance.

bruce prator

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holly crap it is thunder and  lighting here in oakridge.  Some rain last nite.  Needs about 4 inches more.  If horses do their  work on trails including horse related  desdrution  on trails  that's  OK. Mtb. bikers  do heavy distruction as well as hikers.  If nobody uses the trails they are overgrowth and will disappear.  Cause of severe weight horses cause the most disdruction of the three. Hikers the least.  So get real and do your part in trail construction and maintance.

bruce prator

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